湖人正负值：八村+56全队第一，小里-137倒数第一引热议

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AD being -28 tells you all you need to know about the +/- stat

AD为-28，这足以说明你需要全方位的了解正负值。

While I do agree +/- is flawed I think AD being that low tells us more about the lineups he’s in there with and his lack of usage

虽然我同意正负值是有缺陷的，但我认为浓眉如此之低，更多的是说明了他所带的阵容以及他的使用率不足。

Well yeah, which is a big part of why people say +- is stupid. I mean, most stats are half-truths at best and can be deceptive, but +- is routinely used as the be-all-end-all by analysts, fans, journalists, etc and it gets really annoying

是的，这就是为什么人们说正负值很愚蠢。我的意思是，大多数据统计充其量只是半真半假，可能具有欺骗性，但分析师、球迷、记者等却经常把正负值当作万能的，这让人非常恼火。

+- is a stupid stat but most stats aren’t really half truths if you look at them as averages throughout the year or ones career rather than just over reacting cherry picking certain games

正负值是个愚蠢的数据，但如果你将其视为全年或职业生涯的平均值。而不是仅仅对某些比赛做出过激反应，那么大多数数据其实都不是半真半假的。

I’m always curious what the +/- is after each game. Not anymore. Bogus stat.

我总是很好奇每场比赛后的正负值是多少，现在不会了，骗人的数据。

+/- is mostly a meaningless stat on a per game basis, but can be useful with a large sample size, and must used with context. Obviously, Anthony Davis isn't a negative on the floor, but that clues you in with the lineups/players he's been sharing the court with and might hint at a wrong utilisation of the roster!

就每场比赛而言，正负值大多是一项毫无意义的数据，但在样本量较大的情况下，正负值还是很有用的，而且必须结合具体情况使用。很明显，安东尼-戴维斯在场上并不是一个负面因素，但这可以让你了解到与他同场竞技的阵容球员，并可能暗示出对轮换阵容的错误利用！

With Wood having the better +/- that means we will surely do better now right….

伍德的正负值更高，这意味着我们现在让他上场更好，对吧....。

Wood is misused, he was a decent pickup for its price, I just feel he is more of a stretch four than a five.

伍德被误用了，就其身价而言，他是一个不错的选择，只是我觉得他更像是一个空间型四号位，而不是五号位。

Exactly! Whenever he’s paired with AD they seem to play well off each other

没错！每当他与浓眉配对时，他们似乎都能很好地相互配合。

Haven't even clocked that Reaves has played in every game.

It also feels like Wood has played in less than 34 games. Bro was Dnp CD for like 2 weeks for Hayes.

我都没注意到里夫斯每场比赛都上场了。

伍德好像也打了不到 34 场比赛，海耶斯打了两周的就DNP。

Reaves has been laughably atrocious on defense. Man needs to average like 20 ppg on insane efficiency to just be a non negative on the court.

里夫斯在防守上的表现令人啼笑皆非，他需要疯狂效率下场均20分，才能在球场上成为一个正负值为正的因素。

Second worst defender in the whole league according to D-EPM. On-off -12 per 100 possessions as per CleaningTheGlass. It's hard because our offense sucks so much, and Reaves probably has to overexert himself on that end, and ends up with no energy to play defense. He was much better defensively the last 2 years, and it's honestly quite shocking. The way he got exposed playing in FIBA also probably didn't help and teams are actively exploiting him now too.

根据 D-EPM 数据，他是全联盟防守第二差的球员。根据 CleaningTheGlass 的数据，每 100 个回合上下场正负值相差12，这很难，因为我们的进攻太烂了，而里夫斯可能不得不在进攻端过度消耗体力，最终没有精力去防守。过去两年，他在防守方面的表现要好得多，说实话，这让人非常震惊。他在国际篮联打球的方式可能也没有帮助，球队现在也在积极利用他。

Weak upper body and slow footwork

上身无力，脚步缓慢。

And his IQ on defense is terrible. So many lapse in assignment.

他的防守球商也很糟糕，他的失误太多了。

But bad defense is not his fault tho. He's just built like that

但防守不好不是他的错，他的身材就是这样。

He has the capabilities tho, in that interview he said his focus his first 2 years was on defence so he could get playing time. Now that he’s secured the bag, offensive creation is more important

不过他有这个能力，在那次采访中他说他前两年练习的重点是防守，这样他才能获得上场时间，现在他已经续约了合同，创造进攻机会就更重要了。

Last year Dennis Schoder and Vando cover a lot of his weakness. Schoder being a great on person defender vs PG/SG, while Vando is a great secondary defender

This year, we took out Vando and use Prince, cam end up like dennis but not really..., and move Reaves into more of a PG/ball handler defender which he suck at. So his lack of 1 on 1 defense is more noticeable.

去年，丹尼斯-施罗德和范德彪弥补了他的很多弱点。施罗德对位控卫/得分后卫是一名对抗型、出色单兵防守球员，而范德彪则是一名出色的协防球员

今年，我们撤下了范德彪，用上了普林斯，雷迪什和施罗德一样，但又不太一样......，并让里夫斯更多地担任控卫角色控球，这是他最不擅长的。因此，他在一对一防守方面的欠缺更加明显。

Yet Mr. Pockets refuses to play Rui...

然而，口袋先生拒绝让八村塁上场...

Yet fans wants Rui and DLo out but turns a blind eye on Ham.

然而，球迷们希望八村塁和拉塞尔交易走，却对哈姆视而不见。

Thats why i dont really look at these stats, your best and arguably one of the best defenders rn is -28? Lol

这就是为什么我不看这些数据的原因，你的最佳防守者，也可以说是目前联盟最好的防守球员之一，竟然是-28？哈哈

AD having an MVP season despite the coaches putting him in a position to fail is how you should read this.

尽管教练把浓眉置于失败的境地，但他还是打出了一个 MVP 赛季，这才是你应该解读的。

This tells me Prince shouldn’t be playing 30 mins every game. He is a 20~ min production guy, always has been for most of his career.

这告诉我，普林斯不应该每场比赛都打 30 分钟。在他职业生涯的大部分时间里，他的场均出场时间都在20分钟左右。

Reaves led the team in +/- per 100 last season. So what's the difference now?

上赛季，里夫斯的每百回合正负值在全队遥遥领先，那么现在有什么区别呢？

He’s significantly regressed defensively and offensively?

他在防守和进攻方面都有明显的退步？

That stat is so significant that every single potential trade partner is demanding Reaves.

这个数据如此重要，以至于每一个潜在的交易伙伴都要求得到里夫斯。

Reaves mostly runs the bench unit so it makes sense his lineups would tend to suck

里夫斯主要负责带领替补阵容，所以他的阵容往往很烂，这也是情理之中的事。

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