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nba格兰特希尔麦迪 希尔vs麦迪

作者:体育吧 发布时间:2020-10-03 08:48:42
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Victors are determined decisively on the court, but one great joy of fandom outside the lines has no clear winner. We love to weigh the merits of our favorite players against each other, and yet a taproom full of basketball fans can never unanimously agree on the GOAT. In this series, we attempt to settle scores of NBA undercard debates — or at least give you fodder for your next “Who is better?” argument.

虽说成王败寇是场上真刀真枪打出来的,但场外场外吃瓜群众也少不了对究竟孰优孰劣津津乐道。我们乐于将我们喜爱的球员们互相比较,一屋子球迷可能永远也不能一致同意谁才是GOAT(历史最佳)。这一系列文章我们将尝试评说一些NBA的球星对比——如果算不上定论也算是给各位球迷的讨论添柴加火了。

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THE MATCHUP

Grant Hill vs. Tracy McGrady

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Prime numbers

巅峰期数据

There were few players less likely to play until age 40 than Grant Hill, whose ankle injuries cost him most of three straight prime seasons before claiming his entire 2003-04 campaign. His apex can really be narrowed down to his first six seasons with the Detroit Pistons, even if he was twice named an All-Star with the Orlando Magic — his first season there, which consisted of just four games, and his fifth year there, a comeback campaign after a life-threatening MRSA infection in 2003.

联盟鲜有希尔这种直到40岁仍在赛场征战的球员,而且别忘了希尔曾由于脚踝伤势连续缺席了三个黄金赛季的大部分时间,直到2003-04赛季报销。这么看他的巅峰期可以被缩短到他生涯最初在底特律活塞队度过的六个赛季。即使他之后在奥兰多魔术队也两次入选全明星,但第一次(2000年)他只为魔术出战了4场比赛,五年后的第二次他仍在从致命的超级细菌(MRSA)感染中恢复。

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From 1994-2000, Hill averaged 21.6 points (47.6 FG%, 25.6 3P% on 0.5 attempts per game and 74.6 FT%), 7.9 rebounds, 6.3 assists and 2.2 combined blocks and steals in 39.1 minutes per game. He made the All-Star team each season, save for 1999, when the game was not played in a shortened lockout season. The Pistons made the playoffs in four of those six seasons, losing in the first round each time.

从1994-2000年,希尔场均出场39.1分钟,得到21.6分(47.6% 命中率,场均0.5次出手下25.6%三分命中率,和74.6%罚球命中率),7.9个篮板,6.3次助攻和2.2次盖帽和抢断。除了1999年因为停摆他没有打比赛之外,他每个赛季都入选了全明星。活塞在有他的六个赛季中四入季后赛,但都没能迈过首轮。

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Hill’s only All-Star teammates during that time were an aging Joe Dumars and a young Jerry Stackhouse. Several other future and former All-Stars came through Detroit during his tenure, but none of them were performing at their peak abilities.

希尔当时唯一的全明星队友是已年老的乔-杜马斯和尚年轻的杰里-斯塔克豪斯。希尔在活塞时期还有几位未来和前全明星球员加盟了活塞,但是他们在活塞期间都不在巅峰状态。

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The summer of 2000 was supposed to be a boon for the Magic, who signed both Hill and McGrady in an attempted return to glory after the loss of Shaquille O’Neal. But Hill’s ankle issues limited him to four games in his first season and 281 games over his first four seasons in Orlando. During that time, McGrady rose to stardom, winning two scoring titles. We never truly saw them as a duo in their primes, which cost us some great basketball and a chance to determine who was the alpha dog.

2000年的夏天曾被认为是魔术队的转折点,球队在失去沙奎尔-奥尼尔后签下了希尔和麦克格雷迪试图恢复荣耀。但是希尔的脚踝问题让他在加盟的首个赛季只能出战了四场比赛,而在魔术的前四个赛季加起来也只打了281场比赛。在那段时间里,麦迪成长为明星并赢得了两个得分王。二人同队期间从未能同时发挥出巅峰水平,让人扼腕惋惜的同时也让比较同时期的二人变得不现实。

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A 25-year-old McGrady left for the Houston Rockets the same season a 32-year-old Hill made his All-Star comeback in Orlando, and T-Mac enjoyed four more prime seasons before knee injuries sent his career into a steep decline before age 30.

25岁的麦克格雷迪加盟休斯敦火箭队那年,32岁的希尔在奥兰多再度入选全明星。而麦克格雷迪在火箭度过了四个巅峰赛季之后受膝伤困扰,在不到30岁时就迅速陨落。

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During an eight-year stretch from 2000-08, McGrady averaged 26.3 points (43.6 FG%, 34.0 3P% on 4.9 attempts per game and 75.3 FT%), 6.4 rebounds, 5.5 assists and 2.2 combined steals and blocks per game. An All-Star in seven of those eight seasons, McGrady’s teams made six first-round exits in six playoff showings.

2000-2008这八年中,麦克格雷迪场均得到26.3分(43.6%命中率,场均4.9次出手下34.0%三分命中率和75.3%罚球命中率),6.4个篮板,5.5次助攻和2.2次抢断和盖帽。麦克格雷迪这八个赛季七入全明星,球队六进季后赛,均未能迈过首轮。

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McGrady’s only All-Star teammates in his prime — Hall of Famers Hill in Orlando and Yao Ming in Houston — were injured for four of those six playoff appearances.

麦克格雷迪唯二的全明星队友:奥兰多时期的希尔和休斯敦时期的姚明(两人都已进入名人堂)——在他六次季后赛之旅中有四次受伤。

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Who you think was better in his prime probably comes down to whether you prefer high scoring or the ability to do all things for all people, but either way most teams would probably take T-Mac’s eight-year stretch from 2000-08, if only because he was able to squeeze two extra prime seasons from his body. Advanced statistics from player efficiency rating to win score per 48 minutes also support McGrady.

评价球员巅峰期的表现,要么是他的得分能力有多爆炸,要么是他能让球队变得多好,但是无论哪种方式,大多数人可能都会更认可2000-08赛季的麦克格雷迪,再不济他也比希尔多了两个巅峰赛季。高端数据如球员效率评分和场均净胜分上麦迪也是更好的那个。

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Advantage: McGrady

麦克格雷迪更胜一筹

Career high

生涯巅峰

Hill finished top-10 in MVP voting five times in his six seasons with the Pistons, peaking with a third-place finish at age 24 in 1996-97. He averaged 21.4 points (on 50/30/71 splits for a 55.6 true shooting percentage), nine rebounds, 7.3 assists and 2.4 combined blocks and steals in 39.3 minutes per game, leading the Pistons to a 54-28 record and the fifth seed in a pretty solid Eastern Conference that season.

希尔在活塞的六个赛季中五次入选MVP排名前十,在1996-97赛季24岁的希尔排名第三。他平均出场39.3分钟,得到21.4分(50%/30%/71%,真实命中率为55.6%),9个篮板,7.3次助攻和2.4个盖帽和抢断,帮助活塞队取得了54-28的战绩,在当年整体表现出色的东部排名第五。

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Hill posted 13 triple-doubles during his peak campaign. At the time, only Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlain, Magic Johnson, Fat Lever and Michael Jordan had ever recorded more in a single season. Unfortunately, Hill’s Pistons lost a five-game set to the fourth-seeded Atlanta Hawks in the 1997 playoffs, ro****g us of a chance to see the ascendant Hill against Jordan’s Chicago Bulls in the second round.

希尔在他的巅峰赛季取得了13次三双。当年这可是只有奥斯卡-罗伯特森,威尔特-张伯伦,魔术师约翰逊,拉斐特-利弗和迈克尔-乔丹才能单个赛季中取得的记录。不巧的是,希尔的活塞在1997年的季后赛中输给了东部第四的亚特兰大老鹰队,错失了在第二轮对阵乔丹的芝加哥公牛队的机会。

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In the first-round series against the Hawks, Hill averaged 23.6 points (43.7 FG%, 71.8 FT%), 6.8 rebounds, 5.4 assists and 1.8 combined blocks and steals in 40.7 minutes per game opposite All-Stars Dikembe Mutombo, Steve Smith and (former Duke teammate) Christian Laettner. In the deciding Game 5, Hill registered a 21-8-6 on 9-for-24 shooting with three steals in an 84-79 loss on the road in Atlanta.

在对阵老鹰的首轮系列赛中,希尔面对拥有全明星迪肯贝-穆托姆博,史蒂夫-史密斯和(同是杜克队友的)克里斯蒂安-莱特纳的老鹰,场均出战43.6分钟,得到23.6分(43.7%命中率,71.8%罚球命中率),6.8篮板,5.4助攻和1.8盖帽和抢断。在决定性的第5场比赛中,希尔24投9中,拿到21-8-6以及3个抢断的数据,以84-79的比分败走亚特兰大。

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McGrady finished top-10 in MVP voting on six occasions from 2000-08, peaking with a pair of fourth-place finishes in 2002 and 2003. The second of those seasons was his famed 32.1 points-per-game campaign (on 46/39/79 shooting splits for a 56.4 true shooting percentage) — a single-season scoring average achieved at the time by only 10 players in history. He also posted averaged of 6.5 rebounds, 5.5 assists and 2.5 combined blocks and steals in 39.4 minutes per game in 2002-03.

麦克格雷迪从2000-08年以来六次在MVP投票中名列前十,并在2002和2003年排名第四。这八年中的第二个赛季,他打出了著名的场均32.1分(46%/39%/79%,56.4%的真实投篮命中率),一个当时只有10个球员打出过的单赛季场均得分。在2002-03赛季,他场均出战39.4分钟,能得到6.5个篮板,5.5个助攻,2.5个盖帽和抢断。

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The Magic finished 42-40 in 2002-03, eighth in the East. Hill played 29 games for Orlando that season before injury ended his year in January, leaving midseason acquisition Drew Gooden as T-Mac’s top teammate. Still, the Magic pushed the top-seeded Pistons — a year prior to their 2004 title campaign — to seven games in the first round, with McGrady averaging 31.7 points (on 45/34/77 splits), 6.7 boards, 4.7 assists and 2.9 combined blocks and steals in 44.1 minutes per game.

魔术队在2002-03赛季的战绩是42-40,排名东部第八。希尔在那个赛季打了29场比赛之后在一月因伤病赛季报销,这让赛季中加盟的德鲁-古登成了麦克格雷迪最强的队友。即便如此,魔术将头号种子活塞(04年夺冠)逼到了抢七,麦迪场均出战44.1分钟,得到31.7分(45%/34%/77%),6.7板,4.7助攻和2.9盖帽和抢断。

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In the decisive Game 7, McGrady posted a 21-5-6 on 7-for-24 shooting in a 108-93 loss opposite All-Stars Chauncey Billups, Richard Hamilton and Ben Wallace.

在决定性的抢七中,麦克格雷迪面对拥有全明星昌西-比卢普斯,理查德-汉密尔顿和本-华莱士的活塞,24投7中,拿到21-5-6的数据,以108比93的比分败走底特律。

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Once again, who was better at his apex is a matter of preference, and advanced stats favor McGrady. For me, it comes down to this: Only Jordan had averaged 32 points, 6.5 rebounds and 5.5 assists in a single season when T-Mac did it, while four players (Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlain, Larry Bird and John Havlicek) had averaged a 21-9-7 when Hill did it. Both were historic, one was slightly more so.

像之前说的那样,谁的巅峰更强取决于他们的表现,高阶数据上麦克格雷迪更胜一筹。对我来说,这可以归结为:只有乔丹在麦克格雷迪之前做到过单赛季中场均得到32分,6.5个篮板和5.5次助攻,而四名球员(奥斯卡-罗伯特森,威尔特-张伯伦,拉里-伯德和约翰-哈维利切克)在希尔之前做到过场均21-9-7。他们俩的表现都是历史性的,只是一个更亮眼。

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Advantage: McGrady

麦克格雷迪更胜一筹

Clutch gene

关键时刻

Mitigating factors or not, Hill and McGrady never proved they could single-handedly carry a team to contention, and few players in history could. That neither player ever advanced past the second round in their primes will forever be a knock against their legacies, but it did not stop either from entering the Hall of Fame.

不论怎么说,希尔和麦克格雷迪都从未证明过他们可以单独带队,但能做到的人本就没有几个。两人在巅峰期始终未能突破首轮对他们的历史地位是个拖累,但也没有阻止他俩入选名人堂。

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Hill averaged 19.6 points (on 46/40/79 splits), 6.9 rebounds, 5.6 assists and 1.7 combined steals and blocks in 36.6 minutes over 15 playoff games in his prime. He played in two advance-or-go-home playoff games — first-round Games 5 losses in 1997 and 1999. In those games, both on the road, Hill averaged 21 points (19-51 FG, 0-1 3P, 4-8 FT), 8.5 assists (against 2.5 turnovers), 7.5 rebounds and 2.5 steals.

希尔巅峰期打了15场季后赛,场均36.6分钟,得到19.6分(46%/40%/79%),6.9篮板,5.6助攻和1.7抢断和盖帽。他打了两次“不赢就回家”的背水之战——1997年和1999年的首轮第五场败北。在那两场比赛中,希尔场均得到21分(51投19中,三分1投0中,罚球8罚4中),8.5助攻(2.5失误),7.5篮板和2.5抢断。

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McGrady averaged 29.5 points (on 43/30/75 splits), 6.9 rebounds, 6.5 assists and 2.5 combined blocks and steals in 42.6 minutes over 35 prime playoff games. He played in three first-round Games 7 in his playoff career — all losses, including one at home as a No. 4 seed. In those games, he averaged 25.7 points (29-75 FG, 3-17 3P, 16-21 FT), 8.7 assists (against 3.3 turnovers), 5.7 rebounds and 2.3 blocks.

麦克格雷迪在巅峰期打了35场季后赛,场均42.6分钟,得到29.5分(43%/30%75%),6.9篮板,6.5助攻和2.5盖帽和抢断。他打了三次首轮抢七,全部失利,包括一次排名第四有主场优势。在那些比赛中,他场均得到25.7分(75投29中,三分17投3中,罚球21罚16中),8.7助攻(3.3失误),5.7篮板和2.3盖帽。

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Both Hill and McGrady played past the first round in the twilight of their careers. Hill started at age 37 for a Phoenix Suns team that reached the conference finals, averaging 9.6 points, 5.7 rebounds and 2.3 assists in 28.3 minutes per game. In a six-game conference finals loss to the eventual champion Los Angeles Lakers, he scored 23 points (10-17 FG) in a Game 2 loss, 10 points (3-7 FG) in a devastating 103-101 series-tilting Game 5 loss and six points (2-7 FG) in the Game 6 loss.

希尔和麦迪在职业生涯末期都跨过了首轮的槛。希尔从37岁开始效力于菲尼克斯太阳队,并随队闯入了分区决赛,场均28.3分钟,得到9.6分,5.7个篮板和2.3次助攻。在和当年的冠军洛杉矶湖人队的六场西决中,他在第二场失利中得到23分(17投10中)。103-101不敌湖人的第五场中得到10分(7投3中),第六场的失利中拿到6分(7投2中)

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McGrady’s lone playoff games beyond the first round came in 2013 with the San Antonio Spurs, who signed him after a stint in China in time to put him on the playoff roster. He played a total of 31 minutes of garbage time over six games for a Spurs team that reached Game 7 of the Finals, missing all seven of his shots and failing to register a point, and still came within a Ray Allen miracle of getting a ring. His biggest contribution was playing the role of LeBron James in playoff practices.

麦克格雷迪唯一跨过首轮的季后赛比赛是短暂的中国之旅后,在2013年与圣安东尼奥马刺队签约,并进入了球队的季后赛名单。他为马刺队打了6场比赛,总共了31分钟的垃圾时间,并随队闯入了总决赛的第7场,虽然7投全失,未能取得得分。他为了总冠军戒指的最后一搏也被雷-阿伦的那记神仙球击得粉碎。他最大的贡献就是在季后赛的队内训练中中扮演勒布朗-詹姆斯。

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Neither player covered himself in playoff glory, and both never got a long enough run in any given postseason to submit a signature clutch playoff performance. T-Mac gets a slight edge here, because he had bigger games in big playoff moments and once miraculously scored 13 points in 33 seconds to beat the 2004-05 Spurs in the regular season, even if Hill did throw a perfect pass on Laettner’s 1992 miracle.

两位球员都没能季后赛中闪光,甚至都没能打够足够多的季后赛场次来展现自己。麦克格雷迪略有优势,因为他在季后赛中有过更高光的时刻,并且在2004-05赛季的常规赛中轰出33秒13分击败了马刺队,而希尔最高光的时刻也就是1992年助攻莱特纳完成了杜克对肯塔基的绝杀成功问鼎NCAA。

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Advantage: McGrady

麦克格雷迪更胜一筹

Hardware

硬荣誉

• Hill: Seven-time All-Star; five-time All-NBA selection (1x First Team, 4x Second Team); 1995 Co-Rookie of the Year; 1996 Olympic gold medalist

•希尔:七次入选全明星;五次入选NBA最佳阵容(一阵1次,二阵4次); 1995年最佳新秀;1996年奥运会金牌得主

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• McGrady: Seven-time All-Star; seven-time All-NBA selection (2x First Team, 3x Second Team); 2001 Most Improved Player; two-time scoring champion

麦迪:七次入选全明星;七次入选NBA最佳阵容(一阵2次,二阵3次); 2001年进步最快的球员;两次得分王

Would you rather have a Rookie of the Year trophy or a Most Improved Player award? I think the former, since the latter implies you started from a lower standard.

你是更想获得“最佳新秀”还是“进步最快球员”?我会更想要前者,因为后者意味着自己的起点并不高。

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Hill’s gold medal does not apply here, since we are talking about NBA careers only, which makes you wonder why I even included it. At any rate, even given Hill’s ROY, I still think you have to lean McGrady here — the two extra All-NBA nods, including one more First Team bid, and two scoring titles fill out the résumé a little better.

虽然我列出来了,但希尔的金牌在这里并不适用,因为我们只讨论NBA。即使希尔拿到了最佳新秀,我仍然更倾向于拿了进步最快球员的麦克格雷迪——多入选了两次全明星,多一个一阵的头衔,以及两个得分王都让他的简历更瞩目。

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Advantage: McGrady

麦克格雷迪更胜一筹

For the culture

对于篮球文化

Hill and McGrady leave behind two of the NBA’s greatest “What if?” legacies of this century. They were among the defining players of a relatively imperfect basketball era, helping bridge the gap between the Jordan and LeBron eras. Either might have been truly an all-time great had ankle and knee injuries eaten into their prime years.

希尔和麦克格雷迪留下了本世纪NBA两次最伟大的“如果...会怎样”的遗产。他们属于相对不完善的篮球时代中最重要的球员,是乔丹时代和勒布朗时代之间填补空白的重要桥梁。他们俩都有成就空前伟大的可能,如果不是巅峰期遭遇了那该死的伤病。

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Fair or not, T-Mac is considered more of a playoff failure in the abstract NBA consciousness. The chronic nature of Hill’s injuries during what should have been his absolute apex overshadows his pre-injury postseason shortcomings, and we often ignore the fact that McGrady’s playoff legacy was also impacted as a result.

公平与否,麦克格雷迪在抽象的NBA印象中或多或少被视为季后赛失败者。希尔在巅峰期遭遇的慢性伤病某种程度上遮掩了他伤病就有所显露的季后赛不足,而我们常常忽略了麦迪的季后赛表现也受到伤病影响的事实。

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At their peaks, Hill was probably more attractive to major, although that too is a more complicated conversation. They both had sitcom cameos during their careers, and they have both served as NBA analysts in retirement. McGrady is a little more entertaining in that regard, and I am not sure what it says about Hill’s level of fame that he appeared in Nickelback’s “Rockstar” video along with Wayne Gretzky, Dale Earnhardt Jr., Gene Simmons, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, Eliza Dushku and others.

他俩巅峰时期,希尔可能对公众的吸引力更大,虽然谁的吸引力更大这事儿也是说不清道不明的。他们俩在职业生涯中都客串过情景喜剧,退役后都参与了NBA解说。麦克格雷迪在这方面更具娱乐性,但希尔能在Nickelback的名曲“Rockstar”中与Wayne Gretzky, Dale Earnhardt Jr., Gene Simmons, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, Eliza Dushku 这些娱乐圈名人一同出镜也说明了他的名头不小。

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A Duke University legend, Hill is considered one of the most successful college basketball players in history, and his response to Jalen Rose of the Fab Five calling him an “Uncle Tom” is worth mentioning in this context. This is about their NBA careers, but Hill’s reputation as one of the classiest players ever holds water.

希尔是杜克大学的传奇人物,被认为是历史上最成功的大学篮球运动员之一,值得一提的是他对The Fab Five这部影片的回应,几乎可以算是“汤姆叔叔”那样的启蒙了(注:The Fab Five是密歇根大学篮球队的纪录片,希尔公开批评了此影片中存在的种族问题,在美国社会有较大反响)。虽然这篇讨论关于他们的NBA生涯的,但是希尔的高尚品格一直声名在外。

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McGrady, a champion for humanitarian efforts in ****, should be lauded, too.

麦克格雷迪积极投身人道主义工作,也应该受到称赞。

In the end, their longstanding impact on the game boils down to this: McGrady is an investor in the Biloxi Shuckers, a Double-A baseball affiliate, while Hill now serves as part-owner of the Atlanta Hawks. He is among only a few former players in NBA ownership groups, and his post-career path there is a shining example.

到了,他们的长期影响会总结下来就是:麦克格雷迪现在是Double-A棒球联盟附属球队Biloxi Shuckers的投资者之一,而希尔现在是亚特兰大老鹰队的小老板,他是NBA仅有的几个从球员转变成老板的人,这个后职业生涯可以说人生榜样了。

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Advantage: Hill

希尔更胜一筹

THE DAGGER: Tracy McGrady is better.

综上:特雷西-麦克格雷迪的NBA生涯更好。

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